TRD springs

davect01 said:

Sorry, that is just wrong.
https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2011/01/ftc-validates-right-to-install-aftermarket-parts
Magnuson-Moss Act


You are allowed to put any accessory on your vehicle you want. Now if the dealership can prove that your accessory directly caused the damage that you are trying to get a warranty claim on, that is different. Don't buy into the "You can only add Dealership Accessories" B.S.

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Ok, I guess I have to be specific with my answer..... The topic is TRD springs and you actually made my point... For example, I lowered my car with Tein coilovers. Then, 2 months later, one of the ball joints gave out or somethig related to the suspension... Dealership will see the Tein coilovers. That will give them ammunition against you. (I learned it the hardway).

I also want to add that most suspension for our iM in Norther America is actually for a Scion TC2 and NOT officially for the iM.

But if u have stock or TRD springs, that would be less argument with the dealership. That is basically what I was trying to say.

Next time, I will be more specific.

I attached a pic of the warranty rules straight from our manual. I circled the ones that Toyota will use in case of a dispute. I am just trying to help here. If that is what other sources said, that is for what the claimant could use. But Toyota will use what they have on their warranty disclosure....

B91SUPRA said:

Ok, I guess I have to be specific with my answer..... The topic is TRD springs and you actually made my point... For example, I lowered my car with Tein coilovers. Then, 2 months later, one of the ball joints gave out or somethig related to the suspension... Dealership will see the Tein coilovers. That will give them ammunition against you. (I learned it the hardway).

I also want to add that most suspension for our iM in Norther America is actually for a Scion TC2 and NOT officially for the iM.

But if u have stock or TRD springs, that would be less argument with the dealership. That is basically what I was trying to say.

Next time, I will be more specific.

I attached a pic of the warranty rules straight from our manual. I circled the ones that Toyota will use in case of a dispute. I am just trying to help here. If that is what other sources said, that is for what the claimant could use. But Toyota will use what they have on their warranty disclosure....

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Yes if you buy a part and it fails Toyota will not warranty any resulting damage. You would have to take it up with the maker of the part. This is important. You can not buy a crapy part, have it fail and try and get the damage covered by Toyota. Likewise, if you start doing internal engine mods and ECU hacking, you will void your warranty.

However, they CAN NOT by law require you to buy TRD/Toyota stamped parts, (which often are simply made by others with a TRD emblem).

I've had personal experience with this, as well as known many others that have gone through the same ordeal. Toyota, (and the other makers), are trying to scare you by putting language in there like that, but they can not enforce it by federal law.

Go back and read the Magnuson-Moss Act, (I carry a copy in my car because some service departments will try and fight you).

"Vehicle manufacturers are not allowed to void the vehicle warranty just because aftermarket parts are on the vehicle. To better understand this problem it is best to know the differences between the two types of new car warranties and the two types of emission warranties.

When a vehicle is purchased new and the owner is protected against the faults that may occur by an expressed warranty - an offer by the manufacturer to assume the responsibility for problems with predetermined parts during a stated period of time. Beyond the expressed warranty, the vehicle manufacturer is often held responsible for further implied warranties. These state that a manufactured product should meet certain standards. However, in both cases, the mere presence of aftermarket parts doesn't void the warranty.

Overall, the laws governing warranties are very clear. The only time a new vehicle warranty can be voided is if an aftermarket part has been installed and it can be proven that it is responsible for an emission warranty claim. However, a vehicle manufacturer or dealership cannot void a warranty simply because an an aftermarket equipment has been installed on a vehicle."

davect01 said:

Yes if you buy a part and it fails Toyota will not warranty any resulting damage. You would have to take it up with the maker of the part. This is important. You can not buy a crapy part, have it fail and try and get the damage covered by Toyota. Likewise, if you start doing internal engine mods and ECU hacking, you will void your warranty.

However, they CAN NOT by law require you to buy TRD/Toyota stamped parts, (which often are simply made by others with a TRD emblem).

I've had personal experience with this, as well as known many others that have gone through the same ordeal. Toyota, (and the other makers), are trying to scare you by putting language in there like that, but they can not enforce it by federal law.

Go back and read the Magnuson-Moss Act, (I carry a copy in my car because some service departments will try and fight you).

"Vehicle manufacturers are not allowed to void the vehicle warranty just because aftermarket parts are on the vehicle. To better understand this problem it is best to know the differences between the two types of new car warranties and the two types of emission warranties.

When a vehicle is purchased new and the owner is protected against the faults that may occur by an expressed warranty - an offer by the manufacturer to assume the responsibility for problems with predetermined parts during a stated period of time. Beyond the expressed warranty, the vehicle manufacturer is often held responsible for further implied warranties. These state that a manufactured product should meet certain standards. However, in both cases, the mere presence of aftermarket parts doesn't void the warranty.

Overall, the laws governing warranties are very clear. The only time a new vehicle warranty can be voided is if an aftermarket part has been installed and it can be proven that it is responsible for an emission warranty claim. However, a vehicle manufacturer or dealership cannot void a warranty simply because an an aftermarket equipment has been installed on a vehicle."

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Yes, I do understand the law but we are focusing on a specific part here which is are TRD springs (Thread Title). Like I said on the previous post, the aftermarket spring sold in Northern America are NOT specific for the scion/corolla iM. As far as I know, tanabe is the only one offers specific for iMs.

If you put a scion TC2 suspension parts (example: tein, eibach, and etc.. which fits) and something goes wrong related to it, the law, the part manufacturer, and the car manufacturer will all be against you. Because technically, you have installed a part that is NOT assigned/designed to your car.

Car manufacturers wrote the warranty for their own protection. That disclosure is more powerful than you think. It basically states that you agree to the terms and conditions when you bought the car. Yes the law states it is illegal but the disclosure says otherwise. I had a case (different make and model) where I had BBB invloved but my claim was basically put aside because of that warranty disclosure. My mistake was, I should have installed the stock suspension parts back before I went back to the dealer. I was told that I can go to court but have to put initial money for the legal stuff. If you want to deal with a headache like that, you are more than welcome to stand by the law.

My opinion is only a suggestion. I just dont want to go through that hardship again. Best way is keep old parts in case of a warranty claim.